How to Get More Fencing Leads in 2025 (James Dooley Interviews Kasra Dash)
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What Does “How to Get More Fencing Leads in 2025 (James Dooley Interviews Kasra Dash)” Talk About?
This episode of the James Dooley Podcast delivers a practical marketing roadmap for fencing contractors who want a steady stream of local enquiries in 2025. James Dooley and Kasra Dash walk through the exact channels that work, starting with optimising a Google Business Profile, gathering five star reviews, building citations, and publishing posts and photos. From there they cover SEO optimised service pages, PPC lead generation through Google and Bing, and the importance of negative keyword lists to avoid wasting money on irrelevant searches like jobs and careers.
“Inbound always performs better. The conversion rate of inbound leads turning into paying customers is much higher.”
— Kasra Dash
Who Are the Guests on “How to Get More Fencing Leads in 2025 (James Dooley Interviews Kasra Dash)”?
James Dooley is an entrepreneur and lead generation specialist who runs FatRank, a commission based lead generation service where contractors only pay a finder's fee on converted jobs. He has worked with a variety of fencing contractors across the UK and brings practical knowledge of what marketing strategies actually drive local enquiries.
What Are the Key Takeaways From “How to Get More Fencing Leads in 2025 (James Dooley Interviews Kasra Dash)”?
Here are the key points discussed in this episode:
- A strong Google Business Profile backed by five star reviews, citations, posts and photos is the essential first step for generating local fencing leads.
- SEO optimised service pages for each individual fencing service help pages rank and indirectly increase phone calls through your Google Business Profile.
- PPC can waste a lot of money in the wrong hands, so a strong negative keyword list and a reputable agency are critical to avoid click fraud and irrelevant searches.
- Inbound leads convert far better than outbound, with figures of 16.1 percent for inbound compared with 1.4 percent for outbound.
- Responding to real time leads within one minute rather than five dramatically improves conversion rates, by around 63 percent.
“The last internal data we saw showed that responding to real time leads increases conversion rates by around 63 percent.”
— Kasra Dash
Is “How to Get More Fencing Leads in 2025 (James Dooley Interviews Kasra Dash)” Worth Listening To?
This episode is worth listening to because it condenses a full digital marketing strategy into a focused, no fluff roadmap tailored specifically to fencing contractors. Rather than vague advice, James and Kasra name the exact platforms, tools and tactics that matter, from Checkatrade, Bark and TrustATrader to Meta lead forms, n8n AI automation, and emerging AI search engines like ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude and Grok.
Who Should Listen to “How to Get More Fencing Leads in 2025 (James Dooley Interviews Kasra Dash)”?
This episode is ideal for:
- Fencing contractors who want a consistent flow of local enquiries
- Tradespeople exploring which lead generation platforms are worth the cost
- Small business owners weighing inbound versus outbound lead strategies
- Local service businesses wanting to optimise for AI search and Google Business Profiles
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What Are Listeners Saying About This Episode?
“Finally some marketing advice aimed directly at fencing contractors rather than generic tips. The breakdown of why shared leads from Bark and Checkatrade become a race to the bottom hit home for me. Really practical stuff.”
“The point about responding to leads within one minute instead of five minutes completely changed how I handle my enquiries. James and Kasra clearly know what works from real client experience.”
“Loved the clear explanation of inbound versus outbound and those conversion stats. The warning about PPC click fraud and negative keyword lists alone saved me from wasting money. Short, sharp and genuinely useful.”

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James Dooley: If you are a fencing contractor looking for more work and a consistent flow of enquiries, then this video is for you. Myself and Kasra have worked with a variety of fencing contractors across the UK, so we know exactly what works from a marketing point of view and what you should be avoiding as well. Step number one, what I would be looking to do to grow is a Google Business Profile. If you already have one, I would reach out to all of my existing clients and get as many five star reviews as possible. It is a great way for a Google Business Profile to generate more leads. You should also get citations, publish posts and upload photos. That is always step one for generating more local leads.
Kasra Dash: Step number two is to bolster your Google Business Profile with dedicated service pages. I would create SEO optimised pages on your website for each individual fencing service. Doing this helps those pages rank and also increases the chances of your Google Business Profile appearing for those keywords, which indirectly brings in more phone calls.
James Dooley: If you want more local leads, PPC lead generation is another option. This is pay per click within Google or Bing where you target bottom of the funnel keywords to generate enquiries. You must work with a good PPC agency because there is click fraud and you need a strong negative keyword list so you do not waste money on irrelevant searches such as jobs and careers. PPC can work well but in the wrong hands you can waste a lot of money.
Kasra Dash: You also have Meta ads on Facebook and Instagram. When someone is scrolling, they might see your ad. You can run lead form campaigns which keep the user on Facebook. These are easy to set up but the quality can be mixed unless you add qualifying questions. You can also run conversion ads that send people to your website to complete your contact form. Both options work depending on your goals.
James Dooley: Another way to grow local fencing leads is organic social media. Posting regularly on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Pinterest and Instagram helps visibility. Reddit and Quora are also strong platforms if you answer questions. Organic social is a great long term way to generate leads.
Kasra Dash: Organic social is a volume game. You must upload consistently. It could be a daily or weekly schedule, such as committing to five videos per week. Consistency helps with algorithms on YouTube, Twitter and other platforms.
James Dooley: What are your thoughts on using AI agents with tools like n8n to automate and schedule posts on social media? A lot of companies want to leverage AI for generating more leads. Would you work with an AI consultant to set that up?
Kasra Dash: Businesses can set up AI agents that crop videos and autopublish to YouTube, Facebook and Twitter. But I would also focus on AI search. People are slowly starting to search using ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude and Grok. If your brand is not showing up in these AI engines, you will struggle to get enquiries from them. AI search is something every business now needs to optimise for.
James Dooley: If you want more business leads in the local area, you can also use tradespeople websites. Checkatrade, Bark, Builder Builder, TrustATrader and Rated People can all generate fencing leads. You must track KPIs such as cost per lead, cost per acquisition and ROI. We have comparison videos on the channel for all these platforms.
Kasra Dash: With lead generation companies, you must do your due diligence. Make sure the company has generated leads in your industry before. Have a strategy call with them to align KPIs and budgets. Check whether the leads are exclusive to you or shared, because many platforms like Bark and Checkatrade sell shared leads. That becomes a race to the bottom on price and it is one of the biggest complaints we hear from contractors.
James Dooley: If anyone wants more local leads, head to FatRank.com. We run a commission based lead generation service. You only pay a finder’s fee on converted jobs. There is no cost per lead. You pay nothing until the job is completed and you have been paid. Only then do you pay FatRank. Kasra, what are your thoughts on inbound versus outbound lead generation?
Kasra Dash: Inbound always performs better. The conversion rate of inbound leads turning into paying customers is much higher. The last figure I saw was 16.1 percent for inbound compared with 1.4 percent for outbound. Outbound requires far more volume and far more staff. People assume outbound leads are free, but email sending, time and sales labour all cost money.
James Dooley: Another question we get is about real time leads. Is it important for leads to come through instantly?
Kasra Dash: It is extremely important. The last internal data we saw showed that responding to real time leads increases conversion rates by around 63 percent. Originally we thought responding within five minutes was good, but responding within one minute significantly increases conversions.
James Dooley: Many businesses fall short because they are away or have no one to answer enquiries. This is something we look at when partnering with companies.
Kasra Dash: Anyone looking to scale and secure a consistent flow of high quality leads should fill out the form at FatRank. The team will tell you if you are the right fit and will also give feedback if you are not.
James Dooley: If you are a fencing contractor looking for more fencing leads, head over to FatRank.com and hopefully we can start generating more enquiries for your business.
Creators & Guests
Host
James Dooley is a UK-based serial entrepreneur and the leading authority on performance-based lead generation. James Dooley the founder of FatRank and PromoSEO who help UK businesses with advanced lead…
Guest
Kasra Dash is an SEO entrepreneur and digital marketing specialist with more than a decade of experience in search, lead generation and website recovery. His expertise covers organic SEO, affiliate…